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Will iOS 9 continue to be supported by Pythonista?
I know Apple's policies end up meaning that app developers often have to abandon support for older iOS installations (e.g. when Apple mandated all new submissions be 16 bit). Is there anything on the Apple roadmap that makes it likely that future Pythonista updates will be unavailable on devices stuck at iOS 9? How long are those of us on older devices likely to continue to get updates?
omz last edited by
I don't know yet when I'll drop support for iOS 9. As of right now, both versions of Pythonista still support iOS 8, so that would be first to go...
Dropping support for iOS 9 is somewhat attractive (for a developer) because iOS 10 doesn't support non-retina devices anymore, so icons etc. are a little less work, but I don't really think I'll go iOS 10+-only before iOS 11 is out.
Thanks, so that means I've got at least a year.
JonB last edited by
Ipad 2 is still the most used ipad device, with ipad mini a close second.
Something like >with those plus ipad3, thats almost 60 % of ipad users are using devices that don't support ios10.
The mini came out in 2012.. it is crazy to me that apple does not even guarantee 4 years of support /security updates!
Phuket2 last edited by
@JonB , sorry I disagree. You are welcome to hit me in the head with your iPad mini 😱
We have seen so companies get screwed by supporting legacy systems. And that when the pace development was probably half what it is today. Look I understand for the user it's a 99.9% financial issue/begrudging element. Maybe people would feel better if Apple and other companies come out and said, we will guarantee for 4 years from date of production your device will be cabable of using our latest OS. After that, maybe , maybe not. Anyway, while I see the financial impact on users, I also see the drain on the ability to innovate when you have a huge legacy/backward compatibility base. The mind boggles at what a small change in an existing iOS core function does inside Apple. Every single team, checking their software for side effects over all the different iOS releases and patches and....must be a nightmare, regardless how well organized you are. We can say ok. They may billions, and they do. But they only have access to so much talent. I am sure a lot of their time is spent checking backward compatibility when it could be spent innovating. Anyway, that's how I see it through my rose color glasses.
Please warn me before you hit with your mini, just so I can brace myself 😬😬
wnMark last edited by
I think. I am good equipped with iOS devices. But I also have some old devices and want to use them. My iPadMini1 was a great device until iOS8 came out. I was useless from this time and was going littel better with some updates. But it is not the device I remember. In this case I would prevered Apple should have stop the support for this device earlier. In an other case I use iPad2 and iPad3. Now on 9.2.1 or 9.3.5. One problem is there was a problem since 9.3 with some voices. And Apple wasn't able or wan't fix this problem. With iOS10 is better on iPad Pro but still wired. In beta there was a Siri voice available with better quality, but no longer in the RC! Now I have a iPhone7 Pro with 256GB and I am not allowed to use Siri with Pythonista in good sound quality. OK we have some other nice voices now. Sometimes I think about to switch my system to ....
It's not just a question of Apple ceasing to provide OS updates for the device though, is it?
The problem is first that they stop supporting the OS, including refusing to fix bugs they introduced in their latest versions. I'm having a lot of hanging and crashing in Safari, and the text-to-speech bugs @JonB mentions are a major issue to me as I was using my iPad and Pythonista to produce listening material for language classes that I could alter and repeat, slow down or speed up as appropriate to an individual class's needs.
My device is now not simply "not updated", its most important function to me has been irresolvably borked. (And then of course there are the partially sighted users who rely on the availability of text-to-speech for most of their iOS usage.)
Then we have the fact that you cannot load apps onto the iPad without using the iTunes App Store. The app store only holds one version of each app, so when one of my current purchases becomes iOS 10 only, I will no longer be able to reinstall. With less than 16 gigs to play with on my Mini, and with a habit of recording at high bitrates in Filmic Pro, I often need to drop apps off my device and reload them later, which I can no longer afford to do. Say I delete Filmic Pro so that I've got extra space to edit in Pinnacle Studio, and then when I go to reinstall Filmic, it says my device is not supported. Or if I leave Pinnacle off the iPad while filming and go to install it once I've finished filming and it complains that I've not got a supported version of iOS. In either one of these scenarios, I'm SooL. My portable combination of camcorder and edit suite is ripped from my hands when the hardware's still in a perfectly serviceable state.
4 years might seem like a reasonable lifespan when compared to a laptop PC, but when you compare it to pro audio and video equipment (or even just consumer kit), it's not.
dgelessus last edited by
@Niall The part about apps from the App Store is not like that at all. If you install an app that requires a newer iOS version than you have, you'll get a message and the last version that works on your iOS version is downloaded instead. If the app never worked on your iOS version (i. e. if the initial release already required a newer version than what you have) then there's of course no old version to go back to and the app will refuse to install.
I've also read somewhere that there are ways to download old versions of apps from the App Store - I haven't actually tried it, but maybe Apple keeps old app versions on their servers even if you can't download them "officially". Who knows.
Phuket2 last edited by
@Niall , look I get your frustration. But all I am saying, these frustrations are 99 economic frustrations. And I agree, economic frustrations are very real. So if anyone could wave the magic wand and have that not be a part of the conversation, then there would be no issue and maybe product life cycles would be down to 2 years. Which before too long, I would not be surprised to see.
Again, I don't think this cycles are motivated out of pure greed. I am not some some antics are not. Look it's a difficult conversation. I would make an educated guess we are far better off today even with faster device depreciation than we were years ago because of huge reduction in hardware costs. Anyway, I am not trying to stir the pot. Just pointing out there is a huge cost to us all for legacy systems and I understand why the companies try to control it (besides greed). I use Apple products, because I can afford them, they control the hardware and software which mostly ends up in a far better ecosystem than others, the quality of the products, the quality of the software on their that are made for their products and their hard control over assets like the App Store. I am not going to rant in Andriod as it serves no purpose, other to say I have tried many andriod devices as I wanted the best platform. The last paragraph or so may seem off topic, not really. My point it, as far as I can see in the mobile area, no one comes close to apple for OS adoption rates, device ability to upgrade to the newest OS, legacy support. Meaning, it could be a lot worse with other Hardware vendors.
Btw, I still have a IPad Mini, I use it for Apple TV, Hue lights etc. it's handy for me, as I normally get to the end of my battery life of my iPad Pro daily. 10/11 hours use. I have found my Mac Pro desktop almost redundant these days as I much prefer to use my iPad. So hardware can become redundant for various reasons.
Lol, holy crap. I am writing a book here. Ok, I will shut up now. I do see your frustration though.
ihf last edited by
Does IOS 10 support the iPad 3? I thought it did since the 3 is a retina device but if I look for a system update its says 9.3.5 is up to date.
ccc last edited by
Does iOS 10 support the iPad 3?into the URL bar of your browser and hit return. Hint: The answer will not make you happy.
ihf last edited by
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